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Dale
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 173
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:29 am Post subject: 2014 class rules |
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I have been sent the final draft of the 2014 Canadian class rules.
The Canadian Boating Federation Western Zone/ Jet River
Unlimited Jet Class 300 Series Recommended Numbers (U300)
Hull any shape or material with a minimum length of 16 feet (4.88m)
Unlimited engine restrictions or modifications, any exhaust c/w mufflers
Jet Engines do not require mufflers
Propulsion jet drive
Roll bar (well mounted & braced) chrome moly recommended
A+ Jet Class 200 Series Recommended Numbers (A200)
Hull any shape or material with a minimum length of 16 feet (4.88m)
Engine displacement shall not exceed 470 cubic inches (7700 cc)
Superchargers, blowers & turbos are allowed at 1.8 x cubic inch ratio
Oxygenated Fuel Allowed
Exhaust - any exhaust c/w mufflers
Propulsion jet drive
Roll bar (well mounted & braced) chrome moly recommended
Or/AMS Spec Engine, 565 cu in, No Oxygenated Fuel
Or/US BBFX Class (502 cu in)
LSX Jet Class 200 series Recommended Numbers (LSX200)
Hull any shape or material with a minimum length of 16 feet (4.88m)
Stock Crate Engine shall be GM LSX 454 part #19244611(620 hp version)No mofications
No overbore, no sleeves, no grinding, no cutting, no filing, no milling, no porting, no balancing or engine modifications, no valve seat modifications, untouched factory heads only.
modified cooling systems allowed, air/water bleed ports, can be enlarged or added, with or without water pump.
Any oil Pan(no dry sumps or vacuum pumps allowed)any valve covers, any ignition or distributor
Any intake or fuel injection allowed, intake modifications allowed, Any carburetor(s) No Oxygenated Fuel Allowed
Repaired engines must use GM parts pertaining to that engine.
Exhaust - Any exhaust system allowed c/w mufflers
Propulsion - jet drive
Roll bar (well mounted & braced) chrome moly recommended
Or/Old B-Class 366 cu in Motors, Oxygenated Fuel Allowed
CX Jet Class 100 or 200 Series Recommended Numbers (CX100 or CX200)
Hull any shape or material with a minimum length of 16 feet (4.88m)
Stock Crate Engine shall be GM LS3 Engines 376ci CT525
GM #19259233/525 Fuel Inj., GM #19271821/525 Carb
GM #19244549/480 Fuel Inj., GM #19171225/515 Carb
Any carburetor, or fuel injection engines, normally aspirated only
Stock crate intake manifold with no modifications
Repaired engines must use GM parts pertaining to that engine.
any oil pan(no dry sumps or vacuum pumps allowed)any valve covers, any ignition or distributor
No overbore, no sleeves, no grinding, no cutting, no filing, no milling, no porting, no balancing or engine modifications allowed, no valve seat modification, untouched factory heads only
modified cooling systems allowed, air/water bleed ports, can be enlarged or added, with or without water pump.
Exhaust any exhaust system allowed c/w mufflers
No Oxygenated Fuel Allowed
Propulsion jet drive
Roll bar (well mounted & braced) chrome moly recommended
FX Jet Class 01 to 99 Series Recommended Numbers (FX99)Crate Motor Class
Hull any shape or material with a minimum length of 13 feet (3.96) No Glass Windshields
Engine GM ZZ4 355 HP CRATE engine GM part number 24502609 c/w stock GM intake
Repaired motors must use GM parts pertaining to that engine.
No sleeves, no milling, no roller rockers allowed, No porting, no polishing, no grinding, no cutting, no filing, no balancing, no port matching or modifications, no valve seat modifications, untouched factory heads only.
any ignition system, Any oil pan(no dry sumps or vacuum pumps ), any valve covers
Carburetor 750 CFM maximum & 1 spacer thickness maximum 3 only 0.060 gaskets
Exhaust any exhaust system allowed c/w mufflers
No Oxygenated Fuels Allowed
Propulsion jet drive
Roll bar (well mounted & braced) chrome moly or aluminum
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boosted
Joined: 04 Jun 2009 Posts: 378
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Who decided the LSX rules because it sure isn't even close to what was submitted. Here comes the $5000.00 sheetmetal intakes. Someone trying to sink this class already? _________________ Mark
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Will R
Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 677 Location: NWT/Alberta
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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agreed there mark! i understand maybe if its addressing a reliability issue but not a for a performance gain ! guess some just cant leave stuff well enough alone wouldnt be right i guess if an engine shop cant make money off what is to be a CRATE class. but on another note its nice to see some of the old class engines being alowed to compete rather than sitting in a corner collecting dust. should let the ol C class engines compete in cx as well! just my 2 cents _________________ When in doubt hammer down! |
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boosted
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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the old B engines allowed was decided before and is great. I like the idea of C engines in Cx class. They maybe have a slight power advantage but are also a lot.
Yes it sure does seem like there is an agenda somewhere but I guess that happens in these types of things. Just why would they allow intake modifications ANY intake. That is WAY too open in my books. The ideas that have been submitted did keep the costs down while allowing a little "bling" so to speak. The submission was any mass produced intake, must be run as an off the shelf piece. No porting allowed. Saves the class only a couple of thousand an engine. _________________ Mark
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Arthur Outlaw Eagle Admin
Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 1654 Location: On the rocks
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boosted
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Ok maybe $5000.00 and engine.
Come on guys lets get some thoughts. In my opinion those intake rules are way to vague!
Should read "only GM parts pertaining to that engine" _________________ Mark
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cx_crew
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 12
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:40 am Post subject: |
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yes Mark it should read (GM parts pertaining to engine)
Looking over the Western Zone Rules
#4,#9 need reveiwing
My 5 cents worth |
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146aquaholic
Joined: 08 Aug 2011 Posts: 12
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:58 pm Post subject: Lsx intake concerns |
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I've raced now for a considerable time and rarely do affordable and race engine collide, the obvious exceptions being cx and fx classes. Opening the door to non gm part numbered intakes is either open or closed, the grey area rules will be exploited , so a go or no go rule makes things clear. I plan on running this engine package and I for one appreciate a clear rule such as this.
Ultimately the race is between driver and the river, how the rest of your class does is up to them . Over aggressive lines or any other of a thousand other variables dictate how well one driver compares to another and energy wasted after rules have been established seems rather pointless.
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boosted
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for chiming in guys.
Ok I am game.
If it was only a GM # intake it would be fine but it does get hard to tell the difference between cx and lsx classes. How about just no sheetmetal intakes and no modifications. If someone wants to spend a bunch on porting an intake (which is about all a person could do and not get caught real easy then let them). The holley intakes are all completely cast and not much improvement can be made there without being caught real easy. The gm ones are the same,, Mast, sure is factory ported. You may be able to do a little better but not enough for you to really make a difference. If I am wrong them someone just explain why. _________________ Mark
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Itsworthit
Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 432 Location: Whitecourt
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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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I like the old C motors being allowed in CX as well, there still are a few of them out there, |
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Dale
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 173
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:29 am Post subject: |
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This version of the rules was sent around to the White Court, Peace River, Grande Prairie and FSJ groups by the western zone. It bounced back and 2-3 changes were made and this is was had and this is what the 4 groups all agreed on.
Tech inspection of the proposed intakes was the biggest reason we decided to go with any intake in the LSX class. It is one less thing that needs to be looked at. The crate LSX engine does not come with an intake and the intake ports on the head are not allowed to be touched. Also it was agreed that the LSX class is close to the CX class now. This will also help the LSX get a little faster and run better with the A class in 2015.
The best Sheet metal manifold out there is under $3000 retail. There are some that run much higher $$, but not likely any of them will make any more power than a good tuned single carb. Port matching is very cheap and affordable most aftermarket manifolds are made small and need to be done. Another thing that doesnt need to be checked Tech.
The old C motors fit in the B class rules. And will have to run with the LSX and B boats. We cant mess with CX class, it is working very good as is.
The wording on the GM parts have been changed.
Dale |
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Itsworthit
Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 432 Location: Whitecourt
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Makes sense, CX is working very well |
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ALEX
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 176 Location: red deer
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:03 pm Post subject: ZZ4 discontinued.... |
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My understanding is that the ZZ4 is no longer available from GM:it will be replaced by the ZZ5 |
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Arthur Outlaw Eagle Admin
Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 1654 Location: On the rocks
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:12 am Post subject: |
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400hp should make all FX boats see 90+ All day long....I always wanted to try a ZZ383... Be interesting to see how the FX will transition from this decision from GM. Shitty for everyone in Mexico, US, NZ and Canada who own a ZZ4 |
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murr190
Joined: 26 Dec 2011 Posts: 23
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:09 am Post subject: |
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be lots of race prepped ZZ4's for sale for pleasure boats thats for sure. _________________ 1997 20FT Outlaw Nahanni SD309, SBC.
"NO PROPLEMS" |
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