OUTLAW EAGLE MANUFACTURING

[Viking502]

Pretty clear !!!!

[Wazza]

[Viking502]

Sooo....
It looks to me that a guy can go start doing some machining to block / heads, maybe put some more reliable parts and pieces in er !!!!
What the hell... As long as it doesnt make any more power, its all good ??!!??!!
RULES are RULES. They are not supposed to be "left open for debate".
A whole new can of worms has been opend up now!!!!
Might just as well throw out the rules. Nobody can cheat anymore.
Try this shit in CASCAR.... See what happens!!!!

[Itsworthit]

Listen up guys, before everyone starts going out and machining heads and changing gaskets, I will give you my 2 cents, has anyone ever checked into the machining tolerances from the manufacturer, you are talking .005" on a head and .004" on the gasket, every manufacuturer has machining tolerances, for those who don't know what I am talking about, I'll explain, say for instance the deck height on these engines is 6.250" and GMC gives their Tier 1 suppliers a tolerance of +/- .0025", this would mean that any given engine supplied to GMC or made by GMC would have a head deck height of 6.2475" to 6.2525", so the difference between any given heads could be .005", and still be acceptable, (I do not know what the tolerance is from GMC and am not in any way saying that it is .0025", it is only an example), the same goes for the manufacturer of the gaskets, different manufacturers have different tolerances, fel-pro may have different tolerances than GMC
If anyone thinks that you can get, from a manufacturer, a million heads all exactly the same thickness, I mean down to one ten thousandth of an inch, as they are being measured here, maybe they should try to make 2 pieces of something to that tolerance. The heat from your hand can make something grow .0003"
Also I am curious to see how the heads were measured, let me explain, (and this in no way is knocking the person who measured them), factory heads should be simultaneously machined, so this would mean that they should be parrallel to a reference area, probably withing .0001"/.0002", this is something hard to measure, unless you do it every day, and say for instance if I took my head to a machine shop to get it shaved, they would set it up with a dial indicator using the to be cut surface as a reference, to set this up within .0002" all round the perifery, is very difficult, (not impossible) buy very time consuming and highly unlikely, so if it gets machined not set up within that .0002", the head will not be parallel anymore, also, most milling machines cannot achieve this accuracy anyways, and the head should be surafce ground, so unless you are extremly confident in your machinist you probablywill be shooting yourself in the foot.
Did anyone compare the machining marks to the OEM? There also will be standards from the OEM on these, milled or ground? Compare feed rates?
If he took the time, and I say IF, to get someone to machine .005 off the heads, I would assume he would have measured the gasket and would not have put in a .004 thicker one, just doesnt make sense


And for those not familliar with how thick .002" is, most loose leaf paper is around .0015" to .002" thick, so .0002" is approx 1/10th the thickness of a piece of paper, just saying

[Arthur]

4 Thou was taken off one side of the block and a new stock ZZ4 head was purchased. If 40 thou was taken off both sides, then I could see a problem.

[RPM]

agree with a lot of what Karey is saying , 4 or 5 thou is fock all for making any increases in hp but probably pushing the limits of the tolerance in production . from what has been reported here sounds like a honest attempt to repair the ZZ4 in stock condition was made . would of thought the fel-pro gskt. would of been .045 and the original .050 but even if the chamber was tightened up 9 or 10 thou on one side not going to make big increase in hp....my thoughts are the class should be "stock appearing" cause pulling motors down for inspection is just a waste of time that could be spent bsing over a beer . it's legal if it looks like a zz4 , has a 750 carb (should be 650) , has flat tops , pumps 45"max on any cyl. when cold and has original zz4 valve springs . for uim worlds events sealed ct 355 only .

[Itsworthit]

I have just been edjumacted a bit more about the situation, the thicker gasket was used on purpose to make up the .004" taken off the block to true it up, so there would be no increase in compression

[Arthur]

http://youtu.be/I2gWUzG9ADs

204 Miss Ede.....UNFUCKINBELIVABLE!

[4mcntrls]

WOW!

[WILSON]

I was saving my comments for future discussion, but I will throw something in for the controversy:

If we go back to the 2011 inspection:
The cylinder head was CRACKED. The cost of repairing was around $4000. (Did I get this right????)

It makes absolutely no sense for me to spend $4000 on salvaging a failing engine when you can get a brand new one for less than $5000.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet+Performance/809/24502609/10002/-1

Of course it does makes sense if you have somehow worked on this engine to enhance performance, as discussed above.

One fine example of "Offer an inch, and a mile will be taken"

I believe that the rule should indicate that if an engine is damaged enough to require a NON GM part (like a Fel-pro gasket) it should be considered illegal for a crate class. So you will spend $5000 instead of $4000 for racing again. Too bad.

I'm sure Brian made the correct call in declaring the engine legal under current CBF rules, but I definitely think we need to push for more strict rules for UIM events, and you guys in Canada should think about this for local rules as well.

[paid ride]

How come the guy can't just come and race his boat. WTF is wrong with all of you making rules for the rules. Way to kill a sport!! Has it ever occured to people, that a little talent and a pair of big ones can win a race no matter what type of equipment their running. 5hp won't get you a win.
Cheating is cheating, but someone fixing a motor so he can come and have a good time on the weekend shouldn't open a can of worms on ways to bend the rules. This is not nascar, just average people pissing a little money away racing boats and having a good time. Just my 2 cents.

[Arthur]

[TOP DAWG]

Bobby took a big hammer and hit the nail square on the head ! Cheating is cheating and this case was not. THE Fucking END !!!

[mayo]

WYM?

[TOP DAWG]

maybe i shouldnt even comment, after all im just a fan. Thats nostly why im mad !