OUTLAW EAGLE MANUFACTURING

[rokchucker]

.yes is a very good idea but with this class i am sticking to i think the class should be sealed race motor only though ct350/355 and or the ford 347/350[/quote] if this class is "sealed crate "only ,does that mean ya gotta buy a new mill every time you want to freshen it up.im greeen as grass at the boat racin game.just tryin to get up to speed.thanx

[Coyotitto]

Mark i do need the msd controller to run on a new ls3 how much. Rob

[Will R]

just think about this for a moment...if you run a sealed race motor
-you have the peice of mind knowing your competeters are runing the exact same engine
-you get rid of the bickering and accusing that goes on in fx...and yes its happening.
-you'll probably get 2 maybe 3 yrs out of an engine before needing freshing...now heres the part that you got to think about...how much freshining do you do?..rod and main bearings,pistons and rings,cam,valve train,get the block checked(cracks,deck,mains)figure in the labour and parts and your cost for freshing is geting up there so why not sell the motor to your buddie for his truck,car,playboat etc etc for say what 3000bucks take the 2000+you have from not freshing throw them together and buy a brand new engine and have peice of mind that you are running a brand new engine(sorta makes sence hey)

[rokchucker]

i see your point Will.i didnt think you could get that long out of a crate engine without opening it up.(not in a race boat any how)thanx for your patience.

[Forplay]

More ramblings & food for thought ..

Taken from the ASA @ http://www.houstonmotorsportspark.com/HMS%20LATE%20MODELS/THE%20PROS%20AND%20CONS%20OF%20CRATE%20ENGINES.pdf

Why is The Engine Sealed and Who Will Police Them?
Sealing the engine is the only way to prevent tampering and keep the engines competitive. Sealing engines will have to be done locally. The local track can approve one or two engine builders for rebuilds and track servicing. The track or engine builder will be responsible to keep records of serial numbers on the seals and make emergency repairs at the track such as a bent push rod. Hefty penalties and suspensions will need to be instituted at the track to keep the playing field level. GM is developing a kit with the necessary bolts and hardware for sealing engines that can be instituted at the local level.

The only thing with going "sealed" vs. "crate" to get the full benefit of why you would do it, is you'll need to dedicate an engine builder that will be the person to repair/re-seal/track these engines. Maybe you could get away with using the techs at each event, but I see an issue developing with that.

ie: I bend a push rod/drop a lifter whatever in Whitecourt during the last leg etc. I'll change it when I get back to my shop. Do I now have to get the authorized engine builder to change it (when he can get to it), or can I do it myself and fill out the sheet - take it to the next event and the next tech signs off on it?

If allowing the later with sealed, we mind as well just keep using standard crate engines. As maybe I'll just retard my cam timing while I've got it open. I didn't change anything component wise - right?

It's a good idea in theory for some sports, but it needs a whole lot more research done to make sure it's going to be a benefit without impacting a very successful class at present (with more rules with additional costs resulting in minimal benefit to the sport's growth). It's not like these races are run at the same track every friday night, so maybe rules and ideas stemmed from that may not give the same intended benefit.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as ALL the "components" of the engine's "allowed" don't change, how you configure/tune them should be fair game. If someone is better than me tuning their engine so be it, I might be more talented about setting up my hull or pump. Are we going to put in rules to limit work on that next? Taking away the ability to use ingenuity to be more competitive, is hardly what this sport is about.

Regardless, I just don't see 15+/- hp either way of baseline having a very large % of what makes these boats fast in FX. Way more unrestricted items of importance outside of the engine that make them go fast ....

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