OUTLAW EAGLE MANUFACTURING

RPM · Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 189 Location: Nechako

with all the attention the FX and LS threads are getting worrying about absolute paridy between Ford and chev motors , was wondering if anybody else thinks there needs to be a minimun weight rule somewhere so that some of the good used std. hull's of the last 5-10 yrs. could race and be competitive. as much as the lightweight hull's and canards make for some unreal speeds .they also add a lot to the cost of low buck racing and new racer's coming in . a new less durable light weight hull with wings adds alot to what is suppose to be low buck racing ( no such thing ) . more than what the restricted motor's save . I know this stuff isn't easy to figure out and is never going to be perfect for everyone just looking for thoughts and ideas .

Will R · Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 677 Location: NWT/Alberta

rick you are a mind reader let me tell you.was discussing this with some others just a couple of hours ago.but ill leave this to you and your devices but definatley got my support on it as there are a lot of older hulls kickin around that guys can pick up fairly cheap compared to the new light weight design.may be there should be a light weight class and a regular weight class hahaha.i know nascar runs a minimum weight rule.and it would definatley intrest those that are able to afford to set up an old boat as compared to buying a championship buy spending 60,000 or so on a new light weight sbfx boat...how is that entry level boat racing...............oh sh*t did i type that out loud!...sorry my bad!
p.s. rick you're onto something here

boosted · Joined: 04 Jun 2009 Posts: 378

I can see it being an issue with the FX class but might not be as much of an issue with the LS class. In B class you can not run a real light wieght hull. It seems with the speeds closer to 100 mph that the light weight hull is just to unstable. My .02

Hines · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 304 Location: Red Deer

So what are the weights on all the different hauls,lightweight,standard,etc.Also is the lenght going to be an issue. So i guess scales are the next thing.I know if i was racing i would want a light haul cause i'am sure i can make up some weight.It's good thinking guy's but i think you should get the engine issue looked after first since it's on the table or (dyno) now.Sounds like 2010 is going to be another great year of racing. Later.

Coyotitto · Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Red Deer River

I agree with you weight is not such a factor as the speed increaces. The main reason the new hulls are faster has more to do with bottom and intake design than weight . A new light weight fx hull is approx 100lbs less than a standard one add back 60lbs for the heavier keel and billet intake such as weavers boat and the difference amounts to only 5 or 6 gallons of fuel. Where the weight is makes the biggest difference perhaps having a minimun crew weight would make more sense as it would be very easy to police with ballast being added to the seats to make up for light crew members ie my girlfrend

Bald Man · Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:27 am Post subject:

Too many rules. Shocked

Neutered · Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 122 Location: Peace River

I'm with Baldy on this one, to many rules! The whole idea behind FX and LS from what I see, is to get whatever hull to go as fast as you can get it with a set/restricted engine. Whatever you want to do with the rest of your setup is your business. If you get over regulatory with every aspect of the entire boat I personally think it will turn people off and will negativly effect the sport. Just my opinion.

Will R · Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 677 Location: NWT/Alberta

yeah i guess i agree but mark there are lots of light weight boats over 100mph heck you ride shotgun in one,impact,russels a boat,miss dee dee etc etc

RPM · Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 189 Location: Nechako

Coyotitto , not sure if your suggesting that your girlfriend be subjected to a public weight-in Shocked

could be some serious issues with that ! and ya rules do suck . not trying to take away from what OEM has done for whitewater racing , which we all know is build boats that are always pushing it out to the edge . just think that the average FX or other restriced class team needs to be able to get into a boat that they can expect to not be outdated in a couple years . I was thinking the difference between a std. hull with a heavy crew vs a lightweight hull and crew could easily be 300lbs. minimun weights are very common rules in a lot of racing . if the boats were kept close to the same weights and hp the racing would be very close and set-up and driver would be the difference.

boosted · Joined: 04 Jun 2009 Posts: 378

Rapid Transit · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 206

I am assuming that it is Rob posting on the coyotitto name, I agree that your girlfriend is light weight, but are you saying that you fit in with the heavy end of the drivers ?

Coyotitto · Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Red Deer River

can agree with you in pricipal about the weight thing was just trying to point out that c of g is very important and a light boat and crew with ballast added to the transom would still have the edge over a heavy boat and crew

RPM · Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 189 Location: Nechako

don't think that you need to get into weight bias . but a minimum number that you had to weight over after any randomly picked leg of a race . just for the restricted classes with Crawfords "dyno" , would a hiab with a sling and scale on it work , picks the boat and crew off the trailer if you pass weight you get your horsepower @ ???? rpm checked . can't think of anything else you would need for rules but they could be added .

RPM · Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 189 Location: Nechako

1 thing , if a boat needed weight added to pass it would be attached to the stringers or tunnels ahead of the engine .

Arthur · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject:

I was wondering....(off topic since there obsolete)...but what would be the weight differance between a SJ and SBC....Anyone? Anyone?