OUTLAW EAGLE MANUFACTURING

[Xerophobic]

Hi guys, seems to me there has been significant progress in the video efforts being put into this sport as of late.
This is defiantly a step in the right direction to promoter the sport as a whole and let it grow. Its not always been the best spectator sport in the world (and probably never will be) but the more footage captured from both inside the boat and out will only improve the situation.

This does bring up a new problem thought and a few recent projects have made it more evident.

We need to get together and share as much footage as possible. Few if any of us are making a living doing this and certainly no one is going to get rich doing it so lets try to cooperate to raise the bar on the videos we produce to get more people excited about watching (**and injecting money**) into our sport, be it fans, potential sponsors, TV broadcasters etc etc

Lets get the communication going here about who has what and what projects are on the go and what people would like to trade etc to help out

In some cases your projects may be something you want to sell and thats fine you can still negotiate with someone who has footage you want for payment etc You do not need to be a pro camera operator to have footage that can greatly improve the appearance of someones video edit.

Hopefully this can be a venue for people with footage or looking for footage etc

I'm currently aware of the following people that are putting out video's or have in the past, by all means correct me with errors and or add you names to the list and tell us what you have available in either raw footage or edited work.

Tinny From Hell Productions: (myself)
- raw inboat footage from Riggins 2006
- considerable adventureboating footage
- DVD "Xerophobic" 2006 Cost: free
- DVD "Xerophobic II" in editing to be released soon, Cost: free

NWT Xtreme productions
- various Canadian Race DVD's
- DVD "Rapid Runner I"

Cynergy Undergound Cinema Productions

Poor Boys Racing (same as Cynergy???)

RavenCrew productions

Franks Photography, Riggins Idaho
- Various worlds and US series videos, pictures etc

Black Magic Productions
- 2003 Canadian Worlds DVD

AWJA Productions

Rocky Mountain Trench Adventures


Cheers

[Xerophobic]

Frank contacted me a few weeks ago asking for my assistance in locating crash or wreck footage for a project he is starting. Frank put out a wreck video some time ago and wishes to update this video by adding modern footage of wrecks from the last 15 years or so(since the last production was made)

If anyone has any footage to contribute to Franks project please contact him to discuss it with him directly.

I was shocked to hear about this video as I thought I had seen most of the old school stuff but clearly had not (received a copy yesterday) it does indeed have some great wrecks from the days before seat belts, roll cages and common sense! LOL If Frank includes these vintage wrecks and the wrecks from the era since i would venture to say this will be the most exciting whitewater video ever made.
Can't wait till its done Frank!

contact info can be found at:

http://www.salmonriverphotos.com/contact.html

Cheers

[Cavefish]

Chris and I are working towards a Waterchannel presentation. James, we took your comments to heart, it needs to be RIGHT, right out of the box. I went to the Waterchannel site and went through their trailers and also carefully read their submission form. We have a long, long way to go.

We also realized that we just don't have enough good footage to do the job, not even enough good footage to make a decent trailer let alone a 30 minute (minus commercials) show. Nevertheless, I am using what we have and trying to build my editing skills up to making compelling trailers, we'll just ignore the grainy video for now. It looks like we will have to wait until next season to hopefully get enough decent video for the real thing.

Our goal with all this screwing around with video is, as you stated above, to promote this sport we love. Our particular thinking is along the lines of enticing new racers by making the excitement and rush come through the video. I've been trying to do that exact thing with the website since I started it back in, uh?? anyway back there.

As we are sometimes representing the AWJA, we have to be careful about copyright issues, as in music. I think we have found a pretty good solution with royalty free music, but obviously it's not going to have the hook of "real" music, although some of it is not bad at all. I've even tried looping together my own music, with indifferent results.

I have a suggestion for Eagle/Outlaw. More sportjet videos would sell those boats. The flying through the air thing is very cool, but not your typical boat buyer. You might want to tend towards video like the guy in Alaska who took theirs all the way to the foot of that glacier. That would be a killer sell for those boats. Go anywhere. Go anytime.

A very big "Thank You" to all you guys who are putting up your videos on Youtube, people are watching them and enjoying them and who knows, maybe it promotes new racers or spectators. I am hoping.
BTW, Chris pointed out to me a set of tutorials on Youtube about how to edit, how to make video. I am reading them now and they are helpful. It's at the bottom of the pages, Video Toolbox.

added: if it's not clear, Chris Sackett and I are Raven Racing Video.

[ravencrew]

Xero, Raven Racing Video in Association with AWJA, We have numerous footage from various races. We also have the entire 2006 US championship race season, some vintage footage from the early 90's.

Three videos currently on YOUTUBE :
Whitewater Sunday
ClassIV
Sit down Shut up and HOLD ON!!!
Sport Jet Racing ( Taken off of YouTube)

I have the last two videos on dvd.
I lost the other two videos on my computer no copies available
I also have the US Championship (2006) on dvd

Most video shot of the 2006 championship was done on mini dvds.
There is also three mini tapes in digital some was lost due to camera failure.

Hope This Helps!!

Ravencrew (Raven Racing Video)

[Xerophobic]

Thanks for getting the discussion going guys.

I was looking for some clarity on your waterchannel goals and I think you covered it.

My thoughts on the copyrighted music issue:

I think Jesse hit it on the head that you need to be careful however with different goals I think the requirements are alot different. If you're simply making a trailer, or a teaser to get them to bite and gain interest I'd use whatever music you want, you're not selling them or making any profit from the video. One they are hooked and have "bitten" then you can bring in the longer versions with no infringements. I firmly believe(as I'm sure you can guess with my edits) the music makes the vid in some cases especially when you really want to hook someone. Its one of the reasons I think my "Don't follow me..." vid has so many hits and seems to have done so well on youtube, its just a kick ass tune! Ok the helmet cam footage is great too but I know when I'm editing sometimes I just can't walk away from the PC till its done cause it just "feels" right. I know "Don't" was finished at about 3 am cause it was an edit that seemed to fall together. Its also alot easier to sit through the 500 times you have top watch and rewatch stuff if you use music you can tolerate!

Personally I'd be more focused on getting a person hooked before I worried about a 30 min production to be honest but after watching some of Franks work there is defiantly enough footage around to make a hell of a great jetboat DVD "if", and its a big "if", we can get everyone working together. You just can't watch a 3 person crew getting tossed out of the boat in a early 80's Salmon river race and walk away from the TV cause its boring haha
I'd also like to recommend you hound Vince to cough up some footage for your productions because he has some unreal helmet cam footage and often has upwards of 10 camera's at races. He's not closeby but with some hounding he can be made to do stuff haha (kidding Vince)

Sharing footage takes time and planning. No one can cough up footage that fast so its got to be a planned project and people are busy with lives etc as we all know

Jesse my goal here at OE is definatly to get more video out there and raise awareness especially in the area about our boats. I was, and you would be, amazed at how few people know we exist, even IN Red Deer!!

I'm also working on some DVD's I can send to bars of jetboating "singles" stuff one song long that can be played during commercials or between hockey periods etc that showcase out boats in action. Unfortunately Im sure jumping stuff will be involved but I hear what you're saying and agree it has to be twisted around into a "get there, get ANYWhere, get back, EVERYTime" sorta message. Next summer will be a busy year for filming im sure

Ill keep everyone posted on my projects. Im still trying to get Xero II done and with this race boat project ramping up I really need to get it out of the way because its going to be a whirlwind between now and June to get ready for the worlds.

Cheers

P.S. Chris please send me full resolution copies of your video's on DVD and perhaps add a screen of contact info at the end where they can be purchased etc and Im happy to throw them in the mix when we have video exhibitions at shows etc Also please remind me to send you a disk with current Mercury logo's /branding for your next sportjet production to make it look all peeeerty

[SouthIdahoGary]

[hcw3]

I think if you want to do a demo reel to sell the merits of broadcast you should do it as close to what it would be like on tv, ie skip the music all together and get a commentator to fake announcing the race. Look at the broadcasts of WRC and especially the x-games rally footage. You definitely want to pimp it as an extreme sport.

Don't even bother with copy written music especially considering the penchant for bad classic rock displayed in some of the videos to date.

[Xerophobic]

Good point Gary altho we may have slightly different laws up here since napster type downloading in Canada is not (yet) illegal
Well last time I heard anyway
I suppose it goes more to the point of would they bother to go after you for merely producing a teaser clip which you were not selling making profit from.
I don't think youtube would even exist if they were that strict haha

Cheers

[ravencrew]

Okay, here's what I know YouTube will allow you to upload a copyrighted music or footage only if the company is on their roster. Numerous people uploaded the Daily Show on You Tube the producers of the show threatened to sue You Tube for the copy infringement rights violation. You Tube had no other choice but to delete all content containing The Daily Show. So far their are only a handful of big music companies on with You Tube. If you push the envelope the other companies could have your VIDEO taken off of You Tube and ultimately prosecute you for infringement rights violations. That is why you have to put your personal information on the sign up application. Sports channels also do not tolerate the copyright also. The other reason why you can put copyrighted music and footage on You Tube is because they will own the royalityfree rights to your video. That is why you can't download any of the videos off of You Tube. I also know if you use any copyrighted music or video in a potential video/trailer the companies won't give you the time of day in the US. There is a thread on RIVERJET forum explaining this about trying to find big companies with copyrighted music. There is also a response on the sportjet thread I put on their forum. Some of these guys have already been down that road. I think we just need to keep going in the direction we are all headed in. A very big plus is interviews and commendation when you don't know what's going on with the sport that is where the interviews and commentator come in.

I think we All we eventually pull this off just give it some time and more input like we are doing and it will happen.
That is my opinion,

P.S Copies of the raw footage coming soon

Chris

[ntjetboater]

http://www.fototime.com/29461CAE50FA17B/conv.wmv

this is too funny..no copyrighted music
must be youtube.ca

[Cavefish]

Hah! That IS funny! It's a Tomcat isn't it? Amazing little boats. Touch as a bag of hammers. He pissed that boat off and it just threw him out!

[Skinnydipper]

Wonder if he had a shutoff lanyard? The ejection may have been just the start of the pain !

[reeder]

Good point skinnydipper, too bad the video ended so soon after the jettison. Looks like these guys might of had a few barley sandwiches in them by the evidence on the ground.

[blowin crazy]

Looks like he probably had a sore head in the morning , OUCH !

[RPM]

Heh guys for what it's worth, my 2 bits on the videos is that in as much as I can't even guess how much time, effort and of course there's cash spent and a guy is always going to want them to be the best they can be, I don't think people are going pick apart your production work if the content is interesting, exciting, extreme etc.
My son and I enjoy them to bring back memories of races we've been to and to see the other ones that we can't go to. I think a combination of music, commentary and live sounds (engines) would be best. Without commentary the story within the story may be missed, as in the shots of Dale Whiteside's hard charge up the Salmon finding the right line to keep er pinned may not seem as exciting to some until they know he won the race over boats with roughly twice the horsepower! As for the music energy rock seems to go well with hi-performace boats flying over the water and threw the air and what sounds sweeter than a sharply tuned engine through a nice set of shotgun pipes!!! A big thank-you to all of you who are getting it done and out on dvd's and on the net, keep up the good work!