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DiggsNWT
Joined: 14 Jul 2010 Posts: 64
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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ALEX wrote: | Considering a ZZ383 crate base is 5500 to 6000 dollars
No intake or marine equipment
8700.00 is not realistic for a zz383 package
Also note that GM does NOT warrantee the ZZ motor for marine use
The ZZ motors are best used in sport boats with turbine pumps that can get up to the higher rev range
The 350 efi marine packages are warranteed,reliable,have knock sensors and work well with the 212 pump |
No warranty is a concern...are there builders that warranty their builds?
Seems to be a lot of people like the zz383 with the 212 too...
Maybe the 350 just isn't sexy enough these days?? Everyone seems to be doing LSA's. I dunno.
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Arthur Outlaw Eagle Admin
Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 1654 Location: On the rocks
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I have a LSA in my family boat....love that too, turn key reliable 410hp that's decent on fuel....coupled to a hammy! |
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Arthur Outlaw Eagle Admin
Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 1654 Location: On the rocks
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Oops...LS3 in my Clearwater....cheaped out on the LSA. Still have loads of power |
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shallowman
Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 199
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:30 pm Post subject: boating |
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well i have had many different motors and boats in my life and Hilldoo
if your 20' bratt is getting less then 5 gallons a hour , i bet two people in a canoe could out speed u down the river ,, i think u are going so slow u are using more fuel to get to where ever u are going ,over a faster boat , i had a 100 mph boat could go 75 miles on 20 gallons , but got there in hour and five minutes ,
recheck your fuel mileage
just my thoughts and i am always up for a challenge ,
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HILLDOO
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 14 Location: N.W.T.
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:52 am Post subject: 350efi |
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I too have had many boats, over 20 to be exact, every type of pump, every type of hull, I have a log that I keep track of every ounce of fuel I put in my boat and that is my average since new, sure it will burn more fuel if you drive it wide open all the time but I like to make miles so fuel economy is important to me. When we go up into the mountain rivers we are sometimes 300km or more from the truck and you won't see another boat for a week, so having enough fuel is number one. |
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skimmer
Joined: 27 May 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:07 am Post subject: |
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5 gallons per hour, wow, that is really low consumption. Got a couple buddies with the 5.7 with AT pumps, and no way they get even near that and they're good boats.
How much of that hour do you float ? LOL !!!! |
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mof
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 40 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Makes me wonder why we keep quoting gallons per hour or litres per hour for a boat. Does any car or truck get fuel burn quoted as gallons per hour?
Hilldoo, you must know kilometres per gallon or litre since you run 300km, not "x" number of hours up river. What do you get km or miles when you burn 5 gallons per hour. |
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HILLDOO
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 14 Location: N.W.T.
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: Boring |
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Ok, you guys are really boring the &@$? Out of me now.
A fellow wanted to know some ideas for building a boat.
All I did was tell him what works for me after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on boats.
I don't get any commission on pumps, engines, or boats !
Here it is real simple for you,
350Kodiac EFI + 212 Hammy + lite boat = good performance and fuel Econ.
If you change anything in the above results will change.
Simple enough for you? |
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skimmer
Joined: 27 May 2011 Posts: 48 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I'm not doubting your knowledge or that your boat works well, but I do think you should recalibrate your calculator. |
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Medicine Man
Joined: 02 Dec 2010 Posts: 66 Location: Medicine River, AB
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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OK I have the Kodiak ZZ383 package with a 600 Edlebrock carb and a Hamilton 212 pump in a 19 ft Bratt 12 degree. I get 3.5 to 4 mpg traveling at 36 to 42 mph cruising. this mileage is very comparable to other boaters I've talked to with similar sized boats of whatever brand. If you burn premium that costs about 1.90 to 2.00 a mile to drive the boat. 3 or 4 people in boat usually. The boat was better when new but I have chewed a bit of gravel over the last 4 years and have never had the impellor out yet. My motor runs great, lots of torque down low. I know some guys with the LS3 410 hp EFI motors that are really happy with there fuel mileage and performance, also it has warranty, and is a lighter motor. My engine package complete was over 8G. |
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DiggsNWT
Joined: 14 Jul 2010 Posts: 64
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:01 am Post subject: 350 MPFI with 2.9T |
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One of the builders I am considering went out friday with a 19ft boat with a 350 MPFI and the new 2.9T impeller. I am waiting to hear from him on how the test went.
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river rat
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 Posts: 42 Location: canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: winter build |
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hey diggs. I have a 19 bratt bulldog with the 6.0 ltr and a 212 hammy. the 2.9 impeller works awesome. I have checked the GPHR and it is 5.3to 6.0 depending on the day, cruise speed is 27 mph @ 2700 rpm up stream (north sask). my buddy has the same boat, but with the 6.3 410 horse and gets about the same millage, but cruise speed is at 31 mph (3.4impeller) but he has to burn high test. we go to the ocean so a high test burning engine was not for me. happy shopping |
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Rapid Transit
Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 206
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Diggs... I have a 383 stroker [not a zz] ,legend A and AA, 6oo holley, with over 400 hours , problem free, in a 17 ft sport. I have never owned a hami, so can't comment on it, my fuel burn has been from 4.6 to 5.02 , the times I checked it using a smart guage for running time and the gas pump to measure gl./hr, 2 in boat, on the brazeau as far up as you can possibly go from the dam, 75? mi and back, three other boats ,very little stopping, 30 gl of gas. I didn't bother checking anymore because I was happy, and it seemed to stay the same. you will have way more tourqe over the 350, you want torque over hp, you can tune your carb, on the river, burn purple, less electronics. If you are ordering a zz383 see if you can get them to cam it down so that your max rpm is not as high , don't know any flat bottom boats that run at 6500 rpm |
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Smoke Show
Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Posts: 77 Location: Fort Nelson, BC
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:28 am Post subject: |
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if you want more hp than the 350 and you want warranty why not just go with the 6L. Everyone that has one is super happy with it and it also seems to work well with the 212.
Design wise the 6L is a much better designed engine and not to mention seems to be pretty damn tough. GM drop in and away you go. _________________ 2014 18' Ali-Craft LSA/212 |
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mountainman
Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 131 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta
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