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Alumaman
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Interesting that the CT525 has an MSRP lower than the 376/515.
Any thoughts on why  |
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MISSBHAVEN
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Alumaman wrote: | Interesting that the CT525 has an MSRP lower than the 376/515.
Any thoughts on why |
I was also confused by that and even had them double check their #'s, but they still couldn't explain it. At one time both engines were the same price in the USA, now Pace Performance has the CT525 (still a good deal with a better pan and balancer) at about $200 more than the 515hp version.
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Will R
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| not starting anything here but was talking with a gentleman that works tech support for a gmperformance guy that was involved directly in the development of this motor and says they have dyno tunned the ct525 to more than 600hp without touching absolutley nothing in the motor.im not going to say how as i may have to run one to be competitive but its well within the rules!just puttin it out there!go ahead call my bluff i'll bet your boat on it!yeah i know im a die hard ford guy which is why im so happy that the 392 is allowed for next year so going to try it but if its not in there with the ct525 ill probabley run a ct525 the next year at least you gave us ford guys a chance to run it and thats all i was lookin for!all in all just want to race and enjoy it!after all the worst day jetboating is still better than the best day at work right?! |
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Alumaman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Willy,
Can't start anything with me as I don't have a manufacturer bias for engines. But I am passionate about growing this CX class. So here's my thoughts.
I agree, it's possible that a ct525 can get dyno results of 600+ HP.
But ...we all know that the manufacturer's dyno numbers are lower than the independent shops, and what is also true, is that when comparing shop to shop, the dyno numbers will vary considerably.
A.M.S. has a reputation of their H.P. numbers being "generally lower" than their competitions, based on the same motor. Doesn't stroke many ego's to have that reputation, but if they are not inflating their numbers then does the much referenced 376/515 results now seem low? That's just comparing within Edmonton, not to mention the spread potential within North America!
If a ct525 crate can out power a 376/515 crate then I say it's all GMPP marketing B.S.
They are the same engines. Even if the variations on the ct525 (oil pan etc.) are better, they can be added to the 376/515 and be completely within the class rules.
So why are you jumping ship on the Ford?
..........and someone still needs to share their 392 Ford dyno numbers. |
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Will R
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| lmao richard trust me i aint jumpin ship from ford!forum was slowing up so i figured i'd just give it a lil kick in the pants to keep it interesting! |
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DOC
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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What is the price at Smyls on these motors ?
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Alumaman
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Will, you Ford guys are always looking to stir the pot. Next you'll be claiming that Santa's sled is Ford powered. lol |
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Forplay
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | .........and someone still needs to share their 392 Ford dyno numbers |
There is very little info on the web regarding dyno & performance info other than fordracing site one. Found some stuff around about the older 392's, but next to nothing on new ford crate stuff especially the one in mention. Even on some of the latemodel forums there's very little talk. Be very interesting to see what they run outside of fords' tests, as well what that engine is capable of pulling.
Pretty cool vid of a couple of CT525's dyno pulls right from the crate here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3OMxvW802k - Wound it to up to 6900rpm -  |
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MISSBHAVEN
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | If a ct525 crate can out power a 376/515 crate then I say it's all GMPP marketing B.S.
They are the same engines. Even if the variations on the ct525 (oil pan etc.) are better, they can be added to the 376/515 and be completely within the class rules. |
The difference in power between the 2 engines is because the 376/515 was dynoed with a 650 carb and the CT525 was dynoed with a 750.
I have seen identical crate engines dynoed at 2 different engine shops with over a 10% difference in power between the two, the lowest rated engine had the same power results as it was suppose to. Normal maximium power differences between identical engines is usually around 1-2%, 10+% is simply not possible. The quality of dyno results are only as good as the operator. It would be interesting to see what the Ford engine dynos at, but in order to have accurate and comparable results, both the Ford and Chev engines would have to be dynoed on the same dyno by the same experienced operator. An inexperienced dyno operator can create their own variables resulting in inaccurate and inconsistent results.
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Will R
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| finnaly got some patch work going on so havent been around the pc in a couple days and heading back out tonight till x-mas so you all know im not ignoring yas!of course richard i thought everyone knew santas sled was ford! Doc i can get the 392/475hp for 8500 not sure on the gm.im ordering my 392 after christmas and probably have it shipped right to 2 feathers performance in gp for some dyno time.If you are wondering why the shop in gp its because i know the owner really well as we grew up,went to school and partied are teenage years away together.so mark yank that ct525 out of your boat for some heads up dyno running! |
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UNFORGIVEN
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| just wondering who will be changing to the cx class for next year. |
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TOP DAWG
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boosted
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Will R wrote: | | finnaly got some patch work going on so havent been around the pc in a couple days and heading back out tonight till x-mas so you all know im not ignoring yas!of course richard i thought everyone knew santas sled was ford! Doc i can get the 392/475hp for 8500 not sure on the gm.im ordering my 392 after christmas and probably have it shipped right to 2 feathers performance in gp for some dyno time.If you are wondering why the shop in gp its because i know the owner really well as we grew up,went to school and partied are teenage years away together.so mark yank that ct525 out of your boat for some heads up dyno running! |
Ya I went over and talked to him for a while one day. Seems like a good guy.
Looks like there is a new Ford engine on the seen now made to competee directly with the ct525. It is the s374w http://www.nasra.com/images/stories/374%20Series%20NASRA%20Flyer.pdf Looks real good if the price is decent.
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Will R
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| hmmmm maybe ill just hold off on what i order untill i see what this motors going to cost.still might be the 392 as im sorta more impressed with the 392's torque numbers |
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boosted
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Hey just for fun we should start one of those hp/torque discusiions Not.
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